ship excursions or private tours?

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freda

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We are not sure to take ship purchased excursions or arrange for private tours. We will be on the Millie next summer, starting in Barcelona ending off in Venice. A lot of you know the ports.
Leaning towards ship bought excursions, so don't have to worry about being late and easier to book. Is the quality of tour as good from the ship as private?There are 4 in our family. What do you think? Also any suggestions on a nice ( but not too too expensive-since we need 2 rooms) hotel in Barcelona?
Thanks.
 
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BruinSteve

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Well, everyone's got an opinion on the private versus cruise line shore excursion thing...
And a lot of folks tend to abhor the cruise lines' excursions for one of a few reasons:
1) They think they can save money hiring their own
2) They think they'll see more hiring their own
3) They dislike doing a tour with 40 people on a bus...

All are valid to some extent or another...Yet, when we did the Venice to Barcelona on the Millie, we opted for ALL Celebrity shore excursions...(Our prior Baltic Cruise, we did half and half)...

Here are my thoughts...

With Private drivers, you can hire a car or van often for up to six people...If you do it for two, you'll generally pay considerably more than a shore excursion...For four, you're somewhere around break even...for six, you'll be ahead price-wise--AND, you'll be on a tour for six rather than one for 40...So, you'll get more in because the logistics are easier...you can also customize to your desires (assuming the other two couples are agreeable)...

The problems are 1) Finding people with whom you are compatable with who=m to share the tours...and 2) in some countries, like Italy, many of the private drivers are forbidden from giving actual "tours"--they can drive you around but cannot provide any insight or explanation...

Also, consider that the shore excursions generally include admission charges and, on full day tours, lunch...You need to add these costs into your figuring on a private tour...

So, when we did the Mediterranean this past August, we opted for the ship's tours...We did not want to deal with finding tourmates or commit to large charges without guaranty of someone to share the costs...The Celebrity excursions fit well into our budget and , having visited most of the ports before, we didn't care if we crammed as much as possible into the day, only wanted to "see enough"...

And, as one would suspect, it turned out some excursions were a tad disappointing while others were downright exceptional...others yet were just as expected...

The best:
"A Walk through Renaissance Rome"--only 11 passerngers on the excursion...they put us on a "minibus" and it was able to shortcut and use restricted roads, saving us lots of time...they added several attractions to the tour...and there really wasn't that much walking...With 2 tourguides and 11 passengers, we got fairly personalized service...Hit most of the highlights of Rome with visits to the Trevi, the Piazza Navonna, the Pantheon, the Vatican, lunch included and an extra bus tour past the Coliseum, Forum and more...
"Tuscan Countryside"--only 19 of us on this one...Tour of San Gimignano and Volterra and the most memorable lunch in the cellar of a small winery--outstanding...

The good:
"Capri, Sorrento and Pompeii"--Well organized and efficient, covering a lot of ground...an exceptionally well-informed and intersting guide with great explanations of Pompei...and a really good lunch in Sorrento...

AS expected:
"Athens and Cape Sounion"--standard tour of Parthenon, okay lunch, drive out to Cape Sounion--Probably would have gotten more out of it with a private driver...

"Corfu: Achellion Palace, Paleokatstritsas, etc."--Pretty standard fair...worthwhile though for trip out to Achellion Palace and scenic drive around island, still leaving plenty of time in afternoon for shopping...

"Santorini: Akrotiri Museum"...Standard tour...probably could have done Museum opn our own, but drive around island, views and winery made it worth the money...toss-up with renting a car for the day and finding stuff on your own...

"Barcelona City Tour"--Standard overview at very reasonable cost...

The disappointing:
"Nice, Eze and Monte Carlo"--Good lunch in Eze, but failed to get us to promised views in Eze and guide basically lost half the group in Monte Carlo...Guide was worthless...

"Dubrovnik and Cavtat"...Wouldn't go back to Cavtat...Better shot would have been no tour, buy a guisebook and wander Dubrovnik on our own...

The flat-out bad:
"Flamenco Show" in Barcelona...DON'T...absolutely awful...waste of money and time...

Good luck...
 
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freda

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Thanks so much Steve. I think we will do as you did and take the ship's excursions. Sounds a lot easier. Thanks for the tips as to which tours are the best.

If anyone else has done this cruise, could you also reply and tell me which excursions you found the best and worst , etc. and why. Since the excursions are so expensive (for a family of 4) we would hate to take a bad one if we can avoid it.

P.S. My daughters were in Florence 2 summers ago and feel they know Florence enough to take us around. (I was there as well 25 years ago) Is it possible to just take a bus to Florence ( with a side trip to Pisa) on our own with no tour?

Also I think we may just do Nice and Monte Carlo on our own as well. Is a bus readily available for transit to Monte Carlo from the Nice port?
This cruise is doing Mykones instead of Corfu- is a tour needed here and which one is recommended?
We will do tours for Barcelona, Rome, Naples(Pompeii and Amalfi Coast), Athens, probably Mykonas and Santorini, and maybe Venice.

Thanks for the input.
 
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freda

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Another quick question to add. Which of these ports require tenders?

Nice,
Florence, (I know its not the port, but you know what I mean)
Rome- "
Naples
Mykones
Santorini
Athens
Dubrovnik
Venice

Also how long a bus ride approx. from the port to Pisa, Florence, and Rome.
Thanks.
 
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BruinSteve

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Villefranche (Nice) and Santorini required tenders (I am obviously unsure about Mykonos)...

I know there is a train from Villefranche to Monte Carlo as a couple of our tablemates took it...

There may also be trains available Livorno to Florence...The train system in Europe is much more comprehensive than here in the US...Try searching the net for schedules...You want to make sure you get back to the ship in plenty of time...

It took us about 45 minutes to get from Civitavecchia to Rome (the shore excursion brochures say 1.5 hours....it may be that our minibus took restricted highways or just good luck with traffic)...

Florence is a good ways inland, probably well over an hour...

The ship also offers "on your own" excursions which are basically just bus rides to and fro...but they don't want to undercut their excursions by much so they tend to be pricey for what you get...For Florence, for example, it's $79 per person...You get about 6 hours on your own in Florence...Their next level up is the "Taste of..." excursions...$92 getsw you a 3 hour guided tour and 3 hours on your own...

The Nice version of the "on your own" gives you 2 hours in Nice and 3 in Monaco for $60...
They basically drive you directly from the ship (or tender dock) to a point in town and drop you off with an appointed meeting time for the return...

I would guess the cost of a train or bus ticket in each case is considerably less...the trade off is you need to get from the ship to the train station and back (not always walking distance) and you need to be very careful about the timing of your return...
 
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freda

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Thanks so much Steve. I see its better to take an excursion than an "on your own". Also too difficult and not worth the stress to go by train on your own. Thanks again.
 
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freda

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Do you tip in euro's for ship excursions? about how much p.p. for a half day or full day tour. thanks.
 
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BruinSteve

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I've always tipped in US Dollars...They seem to be accepted everywhere...no one's ever seemed to show any upset when receiving them...

On shore excursions, I think the standard is about $5 a couple on a half-day tour and $10 on a full day tour...and I'll also give a couple of dollars to the bus driver as well...

And it varies...
I've givent better tips to some exceptional tourguides...

...and then there's the tour guide we had in Villefranche...
In Eze, she promised us a really good view of the sea with the ship and everything...then told us, no, it was closed...but, when we got back to the bus, people in the next bus told us THEIR tour guide found them a great spot where they got great pictures and everything...
In Monte Carlo, the guide on the OTHER bus took the entire group[ through the Palace (even though admission wasn't included in the tour, they all anted up and she took them)...Our guide left us off in Monaco and just told us to meet back at the entrance to the Oceanographic Museum at a particular time...When we got there at ten minutes 'til, a group of us was forming...We waited until about ten after and started panicking because the guide wasn't there...I FINALLY convinced the others to follow me because I knew the way back to the bus...When we got there, the guide and some of the tour were already on the bus...When I asked, she explained WITH NO APOLOGY that ir was hot, so she went back early...

Yeah...I STIFFED HER...NO TIP!!!
 
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